Thankyou...exactly what I was trying to say.

i can sit here and say what i please and i did. a rape victim is a bit different. but i really pisses me off when a teen says oh i just don't know how it happen if you not on the pill don't use condoms what the f*** did u expect to happen god sake. but i just don't agree with kids having kids ive see to many bad young mums more than good ones that my personal opinion and there isn't shit u can do about it. take offense i really don't care cos all my teen friends and ppl i went to school with or know 80% of them are terrible mums but the 20% that are good are really good responsible mums and i praise them for sticking to there guns and missing out on stuff that other kids where doing. but you get the ones that want a baby 4 money a play toy or to try and keep a fella round and then they just keep popping em out cos they can its wrong

Well then why the fuck are you saying all of them are stupid if "20"% of your friends are good? You make no sense.

And anyways your only 20 and a lot of people would say that is a young parent...So are you stupid too?

I am not even going to continue to write because you piss me off.

You obviously have no idea.

I know a lot of teen moms. And for the most part, they have all done a really good job of raising their kids. I mean, yeah, there are some reall mess ups in the bunch, bottle proppers, welfare breeders, neglecters, the sorry thing is, I have seen grown parents do these same things. Two of my sisters were teen moms (Kathy, 16 and Tre, 17) when they had their firsts.
Kathy's 2 kids (Hailey born when she was 16, Michael born when she was 20) are two of the smartest, well raised, well behaved, intelligent kids I know. Kathy had the the guidance of her mother for most of their young lives. they lived with her for Hailey's first year and they all moved into a duplex for the next 10, so they had all the benefits of loving parents and an adoring Nana (who just happens to be a preschool teacher).
Teresa has 4 kids. Joey was born when she was 17, Ricky at 25, Nicky at 28, and Laney at 31. Joey did not get as much of the benefit of Nana, but he is still smart, quick witted, and soooo creative. He wrote and directed his first screenplay at age 8. I was on the camera, and his whole family starred in it. It was a horror flick called "To Grandmothers House You Die". He is a little pain in the but sometimes, pushes a little to far, has a flair for drama, but he has potential. He is very repectful to adults outside of his own close family. He behaves well in public. Just needs his face slapped for being a nasty teenage brat sometimes.
On the other hand, I knew a girl when I was a kid who got knocked up at 14 and had her first at 15. She had her second at 16, her third at 19, her fourth at 20, and her fifth at 25, just months after the first 4 were placed for adoption due to neglect. She was a bottle propper, she didn't clean her kids, she sometimes didn't feed them, she lived in filth. Her second daughter wouldn't eat sitting at the table, she had to be on the floor and used her hands, and she was 2. Her youngest son had chronic asthma and was constantly sick, yet she smoked around them all the time. She was the epitome of bad teenage motherhood.

Then again, my 30 year old friend came into town to stay the night with me, and she brought her foster child and her baby niece. She yelled at the foster child constantly, called her stupid, and told her she needed to learn to keep her mouth shut. She laid the baby in her car seat, propped the bottle, and left her there while she talked on the phone and played a video game. Then when the baby fell asleep, she stuck her up on the couch, wedged in with a pillow, and ignored her for the rest of the night.

Growing up, my friend were default babysitters for her aunts. One aunt had 4 kids by 3 guys at the time (she now has 8 kids by 6 different dads (well, if you count one was miraclulously concieved while daddy was in prison, it might be 7 dads) and the other aunt had 3 at that point, now she has 7 kids by 7 different dads. Neither of them thought anything was wrong with dropping the kids off with my friend and I when we were 10 and 11. When we were 14, the first aunt offered us a job watching her kids for 4 or 5 hours a day. First day, she leaves us with a pack of bologna, half a jar of mayo, 3 pieces of bread, and koolade with no sugar. She was supposed to be back at 7, but by 8, we had heard nothing. She finally called at 9 and said she would be there at 10, but she was wrong. She finally made it home at 11:30. But it was all ok, she made up for it the next day by buying us some Mad Dog 20/20 so we could get wasted. It was great! NOT! These were grown women and they neglected not only their own, but us too.

Bad parents come in all packages. Yes, having a child when you are a teen increases the likelyhood of that happening because you don't have the coping skills, the ability to earn income, the advantages of age, that will help you get through it. Still, some manage it just fine, and some that do have the advantages of age screw up parenting anyway. I don't think all teen parents can be tarred with the same brush.

I am against teens going out and purposfully getting pregnant. I agree that they are frickin morons and need to be institutionalized. I think that a teenager in this day and age that says "I didn't know it could happen to me" is being stupid and trying to cover up their irresponsibility. I think the ones that say "I am a dumbass, I messed up, now I am gonna do my best" are admitting their irresponsibility, but they deserve a chance.

Thank you Bexie, I've been trying to come up with a way to say that since yesterday afternoon.

i don't have a problem with all of them u moron. the ones that get pregnant cos they can and keep going cos they can is stupid. being a parent isn't a walk in the park. and fucking difference with me u idiot is im an adult i had a jobs ive finished school and ive been wih my partner 2 years and we are getting married i had a baby cos i knew i was stable mentally financially